One of my dearest friends, Steve Haines, interviewed me on this episode, and it was incredible. He asks such probing, spacious questions. We talked Star Wars, pastoring, spiritual practices, childhood, and Mary Martin Wiens even made a surprise appearance (honestly - we didn't even know she was going to show up) at the end... and she basically stole the show. This one was so much fun. 




I've been waiting to interview one of my dearest friends, Steve Haines, for a really long time, and it finally happened. We talked art, creativity, life, protest, faith, and his new project, Tov Music. At the end, you'll hear a scratch track from one of the songs on his new record, and it's so very good. 

I hope you fall in love with Steve like I have. He's one of the best. Next week, you'll hear Haines interview Wiens. So fun! 


To find out more about Steve's new project, visit Tov Music


Most people that I talk to feel guilty about their spiritual practices. They feel like they should be doing more, or doing better at them, and because they're failing, God must be really disappointed with them.

Let's quit that nonsense.

In this episode, I introduced some simple, really enjoyable, momentary spiritual practices that could help you attune yourself to God by finding some practices that help you enjoy God. 

I really hope this is helpful, and I'd love to hear from you if it was! 

Have a great day, my friends. 

March 1, 2018

Episode 136 | Too Much

Have you ever felt like you just can't work on one more thing about yourself without totally imploding? Maybe it's time to quit trying so hard to smooth out all the rough edges. Maybe some things are just a part of the package that is you - and they're not going to change. What if you could give yourself the freedom to let some of those rough things stay rough?

How do you know if that rough part is something you need to work on or something you can just let go?

How do you know who to listen to? 

How do you know who to blow off? 

This one was a fun one, friends. I'm a firm believer that you can't work on everything, and that you just need to let some rough edges stay rough. 


February 22, 2018

Episode 135 | Learning to See

In this episode, I talked about getting in touch with the reality that you really don't see as well as you think you do (relax, neither do I).

I told a story about when an undocumented immigrant spoke at our church. I also told a story about a time when Jesus essentially said everybody was blind - except for a blind guy. 

Cards face up on the table: I really do want to see more than I currently see. I want to see through the lenses of people who don't believe what I believe, who don't look like me, and who have widely different perspectives. So I talked about one way to get there. 

Enjoy the podcast, my friends. 


Oh, my sweet Lord. This is one of my favorite episodes. 

Laura Parrott Perry is the author of a brand new book called She Wrote it Down: How at Secret-Keeper Became a Storyteller. It's penetrating, gorgeous, raw, hopeful, and at times hilarious. I loved it. 

Laura says that we all live inside our stories and we make homes of them. But when our stories become secrets, those homes become prisons. If you have a story you are not telling anyone, anywhere, in any way - that is not privacy, it's secrecy. The difference between privacy and secrecy is simple: Shame. A lifelong secret-keeper, Laura Parrott Perry began the process of transforming into a storyteller when the dark secrets she'd been carrying around became too heavy and her life began to collapse under the weight of them. Sexual abuse, eating disorders, alcohol, perfectionism... Those secrets were all Laura's story that was making itself known when she was unwilling to tell it. Bit by bit, story by story, Laura began to shine a light into all those dark corners and tell the truth. She surrendered to the facts of her life and her past, and in doing so began to write a beautiful new future.

Fair Warning: This episode contains stories of childhood sexual abuse. 

You guys, this conversation was so beautiful, so hopeful, and so honest. If your story is making itself known in any unsettling way because you are keeping it a secret, I hope Laura's words help. 

Laura is also the co-founder of a nonprofit called Say it Survivor, which is committed to raise awareness and remove the stigma surrounding sexual abuse by telling our story shamelessly and encouraging other survivors to do the same.

You can get in touch with Laura through her website, Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram

Enjoy the podcast! 


Scott Perkins was on staff at a large church, had a marriage that looked like it was thriving from the outside. But on the inside, he was exhausted and looking for an escape hatch. So he resigned his position, separated from his wife, and started a new relationship. That's how his book Tree of Lies begins

Scott went on a long journey where he eventually discovered that focusing on behaviors and trying hard to get it right is not the path to God, it's the path to burnout. In this conversation, we covered lots of ground: we talked about true self and false self, freedom and rest, and how to get honest about your actual life. 


Links we discussed on the show:

Tree of Lies book

The Deeper Journey by Robert Mulholland

His Worksheet to assess your life

Tree of Lies Website

February 1, 2018

Episode 132 | Permission

Just in the last few years, it seems as though the tide of culture, in general, is sweeping everybody away from their true, essential selves and into the quagmire of tribe and groupthink. It's becoming harder and harder to know who you are, what you think, and how you feel. It's becoming harder and harder to spend time on what's genuinely important. 

During this episode, I shared some stories, practices, and questions that might help you to regain a sense of your essential self. These include learning to say the shortest, truest thing, knowing how to identify toxic relationships (and giving yourself permission to set boundaries and even leave them), and learning to simply sit with the Divine and experience God's love, who accepts you as you are and not as you should be. 



This episode is for anyone who has jettisoned a theological framework that couldn't hold your deep questions and your desire to see an integrated thread of seemingly different traditions. 

Danny Coleman grew up in the charismatic stream of Evangelical Christianity, where his particular church put sole emphasis on that future moment when all will someday be made new by Jesus at his second coming. Danny kept wondering if there was more, and it led him to a house church, then the Quakers, then... this book. It is refreshing and hopeful. Coleman's view combines Christian contemplation, Buddhist meditation, and process theology in developing a transformative and inclusive view of God, each other, and the universe. This episode will stretch your thinking, most likely. Enjoy! 

Connect with Daniel by heading over to his website, or by viewing this brief video or this one  (where he discusses process theology). You can buy his book here

January 18, 2018

Episode 130 | Influence

What difference are you making in the world, and how can you know if you're wasting your time?

Who are you to think that you have influence over people in a way that might make their life better?

How do you know your own sphere of influence? How can you tell where it starts and where it stops? 

How can you grow healthier in the way that you view influence? 

In this episode, I tackled the dirty word "influence." I believe you can be wrecked by constantly wanting more and more influence, always hungry for the affirmation that it never really gives. But I also believe there is a way to think about influence that is healthy, necessary and life-giving. 


Books & Podcasts I mentioned: 

The Typology Podcast with Ian Morgan Cron

The Road Back to You Podcast with Suzanne Stabile and Ian Morgan Cron

The Road Back to You book by Suzanne Stabile and Ian Morgan Cron

The Sacred Enneagram by Chris Heuertz



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