Jonathan Merritt is the author of the brand new book Learning to Speak God from Scratch, and he's also published more than 3500 articles in outlets such as The New York Times, USA Today, The Washington Post, Buzfeed, and many more.

To find out more about Jonathan and to link to the content we discussed in this episode, check out the Show Notes. 

Enjoy the podcast!  


Dan is a good friend of mine who hosts a brand new podcast called The Unlikely Seminarian. Check it out! 

And check out this episode's Show Notes for links to all the great stuff we mentioned in the podcast. 


August 30, 2018

Episode 161 | Now

On today's podcast, I talked about mindfulness. And an eye injury. And a walk in the woods. And asking for help. 

Enjoy, my friends! 

In this episode: 

I mentioned Peace is Every Step by Thich Nhat Hanh 

I want to give you free books! Click here for a chance to get SIX FREE BOOKS all from guests I've recently interviewed (or will interview very soon):

The Eternal Current by Aaron Niequist

Learning to Speak God From Scratch by Jonathan Merritt 

Of Mess and Moxie by Jen Hatmaker 

I'm Still Here by Austin Channing Brown 

A Light So Lovely: The Spiritual Legacy of Madeleine L'Engle, Author of A Wrinkle in Time by Sarah Arthur

Experiments in Honesty by Steve Daugherty 



Aaron Niequist is the author of the brand new book, The Eternal Current: How a Practice-Based Faith Can Save us From Drowning.

When the limits of his own faith experience left him feeling spiritually empty, Aaron determined God must have a wider vision for worship and community.

In his search, Aaron discovered that there was historical Christian precedent for enacting faith in a different way, an ancient and now future way of believing. He calls this third way "practice-based faith."

This book is about loving one's faith tradition and, at the same time, following the call to something deeper and richer. By adopting some new spiritual practices, it is possible to learn to swim again with a renewed sense of vigor and divine purpose.


For more information about Aaron and to connect with more of his work, visit the show notes page.


Steve Daugherty is a pastor and counselor, and his most recent book is called Experiments in Honesty.  

Visit the ShowNotes page for more information about Steve Daugherty and his work. 



Sarah Arthur has just released A Light So Lovely: The Spiritual Legacy of Madeleine L'Engle, Author of A Wrinkle in Time, and it's gorgeous! 

I loved this conversation about Madeleine, who is one of my very favorite authors. 

For links to all of the content we discussed in the podcast, please visit the show notes page. 



In Rethinking Incarceration, Dominique Gilliard explores the history and foundation of mass incarceration, examining Christianity’s role in its evolution and expansion. He assesses our nation’s ethic of meritocratic justice in light of Scripture and exposes the theologies that embolden mass incarceration. Gilliard then shows how Christians can pursue justice that restores and reconciles, offering creative solutions and highlighting innovative interventions. God's justice is ultimately restorative, not just punitive. Discover how Christians can participate in the restoration and redemption of the incarceration system.

In our conversation, we talked about: 

  • The United States has 5 percent of the world's population but 25 percent of the world's incarcerated.
  • We have more people locked up in jails, prisons, and detention centers than any other country in the history of the world. There are more jails and prisons than degree-granting colleges and universities, and in many places, more people live behind bars than on college campuses.
  • Mass incarceration has become a lucrative industry, and the criminal justice system is plagued with bias and unjust practices. And the church has unwittingly contributed to these problems. 

You can get in touch with Dominique Gilliard by following him on Twitter, Facebook, or his website

Enjoy the podcast!


Austin Channing Brown is a writer, speaker, and practitioner who helps schools, nonprofits, and religious organizations practice genuine inclusion. Her writing has appeared in outlets like Christianity Today, Relevant, Sojourners, and The Christian Century.

Austin Channing-Brown's new book, I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness has quickly become the book everybody is talking about, and it's well-earned. In story after story what it's like to live as a black woman in a world where white culture is still normalized, her unflinching honesty runs parallel to an invitation to create a better world. 

You can follow Austin on Twitter and Facebook, and you can check out her events calendar here



You win. 

Rabbi Alan is back on the show, and he's talking Midrash, which is an expansive way of viewing the Scriptures that will most likely shatter your brains (in the very best way possible). 

If you're new to the podcast, Rabbi Alan is one of my mentors - and one of the greatest influences in my life as far as how I see God and especially how I read the Bible. He's funny, brilliant, and he's been on the podcast six times, so he's no slouch. I love him and you will, too. 

And hey, I'm doing a LIVE PODCAST on Friday night, August 10th at Art House North in St. Paul, where I'll be taking the concepts we talked about in this episode even further, so grab your tickets soon. I'll be joined by my friend Shawn Smucker, author of The Day the Angels Fell and the follow-up that just came out, The Edge of Over There. I'll also be joined by my friends Tov Music (Steve and Heidi Haines), who are finishing up their first studio record, and it's some of the best music I've heard in a very long. 

Enjoy the podcast then go grab those tickets! 

In it together. 


Jen Hatmaker is hilarious. And really, really courageous. I unabashedly love her. 

We talked about her writing, the Enneagram (of course), and her courageous journey in and out of the evangelical subculture. 

What else can I say? It's Jen Hatmaker! 



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